My Living DNA Has Been Updated!

Yesterday I received an email from Living DNA announcing that a free update was available for my 2017 ancestry results.* So I followed the link, requested my update and was told that it was in process and would be complete in less than 48 hours. The confirming email arrived early this morning.

And here it is:**

[Living DNA Recent Ancestry]

According to their data, my recent DNA heritage is 100% European--5.7% from my 2X great grandmother Delilah Grove (1845-1925) and the remaining 94.3% Great Britain and Ireland from everyone else.

[Living DNA Recent Ancestry]

Of the more exotic traces claimed by my previous results only Orkney remains (with the addition of the Shetland Islands). My alleged connections to the Iberian Peninsula, Scandinavia, and the Kurds and Pashtuns have disappeared.



*See my previous results here.
**Sadly the company has chosen to show everything in a low contrast format so you may find it hard to read.. And I've emailed them about that.


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Steve's Updated Ethnicity Estimate at AncestryDNA

My husband's updated AncestryDNA.

My husband Steve's updated AncestryDNA estimate seems to correspond to his known ancestry (his mom was born in Germany, his father was a half Polish and part Irish/English/German).

Updated Estimate

Eastern Europe and Russia: 34%
Refined from:
Europe East 50%

Germanic Europe: 31%
Refined from:
Europe West 33%

Baltic States: 18%
Refined from:
Europe East 50%

England, Wales & Northwestern Europe: 9%
Increased by 3%

Ireland and Scotland: 2%
Decreased by 1%

Finland: 2%
Decreased by 2%

Norway: 2%
Refined from:
Scandinavia 3%

Sweden: 2%
Refined from:
Scandinavia 3%


Migrations
Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland & Lithuania
Lithuania


No Longer in Estimate
Nigeria (less than 1 percent)



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AncestryDNA Finally Updates Ethnicity Estimates for My Dad

My dad's updated results

AncestryDNA continues to dial in my father's ethnicity estimate, and now it is closer than ever to what his paper trail indicates (half Scandinavian, and part English/Scottish/Irish and German).  It is probably more accurate because they have increased their reference samples from about 3,000 to 16,000 (13,000 more).


The estimate with the information on what it was updated from:

Norway: 64%
Refined from: Scandinavia 33%

Migrations
Western Norway
Hordaland & Rogaland

England, Wales & Northwestern Europe: 16%
Decreased by 46%

Ireland and Scotland: 14%
Increased by 12%

Sweden: 6%
Refined from: Scandinavia 33%



No Longer in Estimate
Europe West 2%
Native American

This update features:

16,000 reference samples (13,000 more)
380 possible regions (17 additional)


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Bonnie's Updated AncestryDNA Results

I'm not the only one whose DNA results have changed due to Ancestry's updates. This is what their old analysis looks like.

Her new map has tightened up, concentrated in the British Isles/Ireland and shedding most European influences.

[AncestryDNA]

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Mom's Updated AncestryDNA Results

Mom's old ethnicity estimates.

AncestryDNA is updating some of their ethnicity estimates.

Before
Great Britain         65 percent
Iberian Peninsula 10 percent
Europe West           8 percent
Ireland                  7 percent
Scandinavia           7 percent
Caucasus                3 percent


Updated
England and Wales           66 (Increased by 1 percent)
Ireland and Scotland         22 (Increased by 15 percent)
Germanic Europe               3 (Refined from: Europe West 8 percent)
Norway                             3 (Refined from: Scandinavia 7 percent)
France                              3 (Refined from: Europe West 8 percent)
Sweden                            3 (Refined from: Scandinavia 7 percent)

No Longer in Estimate
Iberian Peninsula     10 percent
Caucasus                   3 percent



I think this update correlates more accurately with what we know about her ancestry.

Neither my dad nor I had any update our ethnicity estimates.

Her updated AncestryDNA ethnicity estimates.

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Updated 23andMe Ethnicity Estimates for Me and My Immediate Family

Sorry about the blurry words, I struggled to get reasonable screen captures, but the map shows the general idea.  Here is my estimate:  British and Irish (United Kingdom) is 50.1 percent; Scandinavian (Norway) is 19.5 percent; French and German (Germany) is 8.3 percent; Eastern European is 1.2 percent; Finnish is 0.2 percent; Ashkenazi Jewish is 0.1 percent; Broadly Northwestern European is 19.0 percent; and Broadly European is 1.5 percent.

I feel more comfortable with these 23andMe ethnicity estimates than the previous ones.  I'll never know exactly where my ancestors were from, but this seems to closely follow what I find in the paper trail.

One thing I noticed was that it assigned Norway to my father and I, as I would expect (my dad's grandparents were from Norway), but my mom's Scandinavian was further refined to Denmark.  Also, her "French and German" was further refined to Netherlands (she has known Netherlands, albeit quite a ways back, but she also does have German and likely French).

Steve's AncestryDNA pointed to a tiny amount of Nigerian, so the West African blip in the 23andMe makes me think that it might actually be real.  Some in his Murphy line have claimed Native American ancestry, but I think I've seen white people who sometimes claim Native American ancestry have African ancestry instead.  Maybe that is the case in this instance.

My mother's updated 23andMe estimate: British and Irish (United Kingdom) is 61.4 percent; French and German (Netherlands) is 13.8 percent; Scandinavian (Denmark) is 2.6 percent; Broadly Northwestern European is 19.4 percent; Broadly Southern European is 0.9 percent; and Broadly European is 1.8 percent.

My Dad's updated ethnicity results: Scandinavian (Norway) is 42.2 percent; British and Irish (United Kingdom) is 19.2 percent; French and Germany (Germany) is 1.9 percent; Balkan is 0.5 percent; Finnish is 0.2 percent; Ashkenazi Jewish is 0.1 percent; Broadly Northwestern European is 30.8 percent; Broadly Southern European is 1.1 percent; and Broadly European is 3.8 percent. 

My husband's updated ethnicity results: Eastern European (Poland) is 30.8 percent; French and Germany (Germany) is 12.7 percent; British and Irish (United Kingdom) is 4.4 percent; Balkan is 0.7 percent, Finnish is 0.7 percent; Iberian is 0.7 percent; Ashkenazi Jewish is 0.3 percent; Broadly Northwestern European is 22 percent; Broadly Southern European is 2.5 percent; Broadly European is 16.1 percent. East Asian and Native American (Broadly East Asian) is 0.1 percent; and Sub-Saharan African (West African) is 0.1 percent.

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My Living DNA Test Results Came Back Too!

My daughter and I were willing to take yet another DNA test because this one offers a closer look at localized genetic ancestry in Great Britain and Ireland.

And as I expected, my heritage is solidly from the United Kingdom. 

I was a bit surprised to see that my only Irish connection (for the past 10 generations at least) are from the northernmost part of Northern Ireland.

The rest of my European ancestry tracks generally with my results from other DNA tests, although they tend to assign me a greater share of Iberian Peninsula than Scandinavian (and more than this with both).

But the map of the British Isles is fascinating, especially compared with what Christine found out from her test. 

I never imagined any part of my DNA would show connections to the Kurds, Pashtuns or the Orkneys! Live and learn...

I agree with Christine's rating: "Two thumbs up!"


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My Living DNA Test Results are Back!

Click on the plus symbol for my detail.

My Living DNA test was ordered October 29, 2017, and my test results came back two days ago (originally it was estimated to be ready by February 2018, probably a smart to move on their part to underestimate the done date).  Mom had seen her results first and couldn't access the results, but the tech she contacted advised her to clear her cache data.  I cleared my cache data "for all time" and didn't have any problems seeing my results (this took a few minutes to clear).

The autosomal DNA results for me (95.5% European and 4.5% Asian (South)) are fairly consistent with my other results from other companies, which include AncestryDNA, FamilyTreeDNA, and GEDmatch calculators.  The ability to refine the British origins of my DNA was the special appeal for this test, and as I expected I am hugely British Isles:

It estimates me at 69.5% Great Britain and Ireland, which is reasonable.

More of the results--obviously they have a lot of categories!

My non-British European and South Asian results.  My father often gets Moldavia in his results--not sure what this is telling me, although obviously it might indicate a Moldavian ancestors in the past few hundred years.

Every one of the categories can be clicked on and it leads to more information about the area.  For instance, they estimate I have more Yorkshire than any other particular English ancestry, although I have some from most areas:

The beginning of the North Yorkshire description, which is fairly lengthy.  After the text it gives some related ethnicities of contributing regions.

I really like this list of hyperlinked citations for the North Yorkshire article.

There is a lot going on with these results.  I think if I spend some time reviewing the results and articles for each region I think I'll learn a lot about my British Isles ancestry.

Two thumbs up!



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Fantastic Find: "Finally! A Gedmatch Admixture Guide!" by Genealogical Musings blog

My Eurogenes K13 piechart result.  Surprise, I'm of European ancestry! lol

For whatever reason, one of my top posts is "New Admixture Test on GEDmatch: PuntDNAL K15" from back in 2015.  DNA tests are getting more popular all the time, particularly for finding out one's ethnicity estimates, but how can you go further in your interpretation of them?

Thanks to a mention on the GEDmatch forum, I found a great guide (in two parts) at Genealogical Musings (not to be confused with Genea-Musings) called "Finally!  A Gedmatch Admixture Guide!" for anyone willing to dive in and use GEDmatch

Parts 1 and 2:

For those unaware, Gedmatch.com is a website where you can upload your raw DNA data for further analysis and matching with people from other companies who have also upload their data.

A Gedmatch Admixture Guide: Parts 3 and 4

Continuing on from Parts 1 and 2 where I covered the different projects and calculators available for Admixture Proportions and what Oracle is and how to read it, I've had some requests to cover the other viewing options available like Admixture Proportions by Chromosome and Chromosome Painting.

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Updated myOrigins at FTDNA

My mother's update.  Looks about right based on what I know about her background.  This estimate has West Middle East instead of Caucasus, as AncestryDNA predicts.

My dad lost his curious Ashkenazi and got minor Native American.  I still don't know why or who this is reflecting, but he keeps getting Native American in almost every ethnicity estimate, albeit in vanishingly small amounts.  He has known German ancestors, but I think they are being reflected by the British Isles and Southeast Europe instead of West and Central Europe.  Otherwise the estimate falls into line with what I know about his ancestry.

My own update.  The British Isles and Scandinavia are about what I'd expect.  I just didn't get my mom's Iberian Peninsula, instead I have Southeast Europe and East Europe, and also South Central Asia (as opposed to Middle Eastern/Caucasus as my mom gets).  Also Finland, which neither of my parents got.  No super small Native American, as my Dad keeps getting.

My parents and my myOrigins updated ethnicity results are a lot like our Ancestry ethnicity estimates now.

Our overall ethnicity estimates as they were in 2015, using AncestryDNA, Eurogenes K13 at GEDmatch, FTDNA, and DNA.LAND,




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Totally Tubalar: DNA.LAND Ethnicity Results for Me Don't Make Sense

I uploaded my own DNA to DNA.LAND yesterday (I've already done my parents).

I think maybe my ethnicity estimate is not quite cooked all the way through.  I'll show my dad and mom's estimates first, and then look at mine.  Does that make any sense?  LOL

Dad's DNA.LAND estimate.  Except for the Ashkenazi I think this is a pretty decent estimate.

Mom's DNA.LAND estimate.  Seems about right given what I know about her pedigree.

And surprise, my estimate!

Does not compute.  I'm 2.1% Tubalar??

Senegal, Kenya, and Japan?  I think that would be cool and all, but shouldn't my parents at least have some amount of those for these to be real?

I'm willing to believe that maybe their calculator went off the rails, and that midpoint between those Senegal and Japan?  Afganistan/Central Asia seems more plausible for me, taking both known pedigree and other ethnicity calculator results.

Well, it made me laugh.  I think I'll go back in a week or so and see if the ethnicity estimate has figured itself out!





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Ethnicity Estimates on Family Tree DNA Between Me and My Parents

These estimates are about right for my known Northern European ancestry, but the Middle Eastern seems high (my paper trail shows no evidence of a Middle Eastern great-great grandparent).  It must be a result of the competing Middle Eastern and Central Asian signals my parents seem to have.

My mom has a bit less Middle Eastern, and has Mediterranean/Southern European where I am do not.  I am assuming this is likely coming from her  French ancestors in Virginia.

My dad has an unexpected Ashkenazi reading, as well as some Central Asia.  Not sure where this is coming from, although my experience using GEDmatch ethnicity tests makes me think he has some signals coming from the Georgia/Azerbaijan region, which is midway between Ashkenazi/Eastern Europe and Central Asia. 

The surprise in these estimates are the Middle Eastern/Central Asian signals.  As interesting as my dad's Ashkenazi ancestry would be, I'm not convinced this is real, at least at that amount.  A very helpful user who makes a point of analyzing Jewish DNA on GEDmatch helped analyze my dad's ethnicity estimates, comparing my dad's DNA with others using the one-to-many matches and triangulation, and concluded no solid evidence for Ashkenazi ancestry (although there my be some distant Ashkenazi, but not to warrant the equivalent of a great-great-grandparent).



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DNA.LAND Results In!

DNA.LAND just began, so I think it likely there will be more features and more matches, but as of this writing they had 7107 genomes upload.  You upload your DNA file from AncestryDNA, 23 and Me, or FamilyTreeDNA, then DNA.LAND in turn gives you relative matches (if you have any) and their ethnicity estimate.

Since this is an American database, and my mom has much deeper American colonial ancestry, she has always had about twice as many DNA matches as my father, whose maternal lines are all from Scandinavia. As expected, my mom has the first matches, to what is likely a man and his mother (or possibly aunt), based on the names and email given (which I've blanked out):

Mom's matches so far.

A detailed look at the right side shows recent and ancient shared segments.  At this point you can't click on any of the chart for more information, including the exact location of the matches, but again, this is a brand-new site:

ETA: the [Show/Hide Table] DOES show where the matches are, my mistake!

Dad doesn't have any relative matches yet.

DNA.LAND is using Dr. Joe Pickrell's Ancestry program for the ethnicity estimates.  According to the FAQs on DNA.LAND:

Ancestry detection is an experimental feature and we are currently working to improve it, including a feedback page so that users can provide input to help us improve the algorithm.

I will show the ethnicity estimates for my parents using results from AncestryDNA, Eurogenes K13 on GEDmatch (I think a good standard test for people of mostly or all European ancestry), FamilyTreeDNA, and DNA.LAND.

Mom's AncestryDNA estimate

Mom's Eurogenes K13 (from GEDmatch)

Mom's FamilyTreeDNA estimate

Mom's DNA.LAND ethnicity estimate.  This is way less specific than the others.

My mom's ethnicity estimates typically include quite a bit of Iberian, which surprised me at first but makes sense since she has some known French ancestors in Virginia.  She also tends to have Caucasus area indicators.  Otherwise she is mostly English/Scottish/Irish with some German, so even the simple DNA.LAND estimate is reasonable.

My dad is half Scandinavian, and about 1/4 English and 1/4 German (according to his paper trail).  He has had some surprises in his estimates--either about 1% Native American (AncestryDNA and Eurogenes K13) or about 6% Ashkenazi Jewish (FamilyTreeDNA and DNA.LAND).  Like Superman and Clark Kent, those two ethnicities never show up together in one test.  I cannot account for either of these ethnicities in his paper trail, so I am curious what his 1.22% other is in DNA.LAND.

I'm guessing that it is likely South Asian, as DNA.LAND seems similar to FamilyTreeDNA.

Dad's AncestryDNA

Dad's Eurogenes K13

Dad's FamilyTreeDNA estimate

Dad's DNA.LAND estimate

So far so good for a new site.  I look forward to what DNA.LAND will turn into.





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